There the Church acted definitely and swiftly because it was clear it was satanic. The simple fact is that it is not true that an apparition needs to have approval by a bishop to be believed as authentic by the faithful. That, friends, is calumny (as it was in print) and character assassinationSIN. Or an unfaithful Bishop? When has anyone in our day heard a Priest condemn the sin of fornication from the pulpit? These are the pearls that are consistently in evidence at this apparition site. And to add to that, Bishop Lennon hasnt warned ~ hes admonished. In the case someone wishes to continue with the red-herring that is the admonishing vs. forbidding argument, consider carefully the canons that Bishop Lennon cites in that clause of the Decree. Saint Padre Pio was forbidden to celebrate Mass with the faithful for many, many years. Bishop Lennon did not use the word condemn because he could not. A group known by the name of "Holy Love Ministries" and also the "Missionary Servants of Holy Love" has been active in the Cleveland area for several years. The Most Reverend Richard Lennon Bishop of Cleveland. asks von Hildebrand. This he did because the Catholic bishops of this countries are annually giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to leftist, pro abortion, pro homosexual groups in this country. Those in love with God naturally crave closeness to Him. While you are diddling with proper canonical procedure about apparition sites, the Faith will be completely lost. Pray for our bishops, wont you? Do not take what St. Ignatius says out of context. The maxim is usually something along these lines: there are bad people in the Church today.. 2) s/he doesnt believe that s/he owes obedience to the Bishop. There is where your danger to your Faith lies. Yes (not likely, but I am speaking theoretically here.) I am asking about his stands on all things Catholic. What was that you said earlier about leaving ones interior life to themselves and God, 3221? This tells me the depth of your discernment if you see the piece that Kevin cited as worthwhile. This is defiance on the part of the bishops against Christs Church. What she meant was, any action, however small, united with Jesus and offered to His Father, has redemptive value. It was a strange experience overall. The one who listens to you listens to me and the one who rejects you rejects me; and he who rejects me, rejects the one who sent me,Luke 10:16. In your posting of messages from HLM I answered you point by point. And from our Lord himself on Nov. 13, 2009: My brothers and sisters, tonight confusion may have entered your hearts concerning certain statements from the diocese. The stronger devils can even pronounce holy names such as Jesus and Mary and encourage devotions in order to later twist them to suit their purpose. Have I seen you over at http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/ ? HLM is obedient to this request, and no masses are offeredat HLM. Explode if someone contradicts you.? Thanks. Gary Yanus, Judicial Vicar Diocese of Cleveland, since Bishop Lennon was recovering from surgery. Ha! When in the history of the Catholic Church have approved apparitions consisted of a Blessed Mother going freestyle outside the Church? Using the language that he did has nothing to do with modern times; it has to do with what is canonical limitations are. Look it up in the CCC. An admonition* is not a dictate. Recently some friends went on a pilgrimage from North Dakota to Ohio to visit the Holy Love Ministries site where messages and apparitions to a housewife have been reported to be occurring for twenty years. This place teaches nothing but how to lead souls to salvation. We are free to heed it or not heed it, as it is not a formal canonical command to obedience. I think as a math instructor I understood it could contain more chambers as well? Our prayers, in Holy Love and united, have changed the course of this nation and eventually the world, which was heading towards a damnation. Dont be surprised if you hear that someday, will you? Refuse to gossip or speak negatively about anyone, ever (Ephesians 4:29). At that time, each priest, bishop, cardinal, pope. Then, it becomes a matter of obeying Catholic authority or thinking you know better. Sadly, some cannot, or will not, recognize the Shepherds voice (cf John 10:14). I think that this third point is the crux of it all for this person (and others that continue to go to the site). There are many in Church authority who are disobedient to the teachings of the Catholic faith and to the Pope. If Rome asked this bishop to send a report and based upon his observations, this is not a true apparition site, best to obey. The difference in wording is salient. Dave, this is just perfect. Again, I present the Decree for all to read: No other citations are necessary. There is NO reason for anyone to go to HLM now. In general, if it is not church approved (Lourdes, Fatima, etc. I would not get involved with it. He speaks through His Church. Our own V2 church is ecumenical now, where our popes are telling us that every form of religion has the truth within it, and they kiss korans, participate in voodoo, and etc., and even protestants agree that our new church is more protestant than they are. Here is a clear example of your biased opinion interpreting what HLM is saying. These canons are as follows: ~~ Get it? They often are not obedient to our Holy Father and his Magisterium, They have many times misled the faithfulremember, it is the Catholic vote that re-elected Obamaand they are largely responsible for the moral confusion and defiance to Rome that plagues the United States. As the webmaster of 5 different Catholic websitesone being the Mystics of the Church website I have spent *many* years studying the lives of the mystics/saints/visionaries in the Catholic church, so I believe I can speak to this issue with at least some background and experience in what the Church teaches concerning obedience to the legitimate Church authority. in favor of a humanistic gospel with no sense of the supernatural. No. @3221: Why are you changing the subject to Medjugorje? I admire your fortitude! So, instead, the devil uses a Catholic facade to lure them in. Period. Yes indeed, Bob. First of all, the Bishop of the diocese in which HLM is, has been unable to CONDEMN HLM because there is no heresy being promulgated there.. Condemnation would be a canonical act and it is not warranted because there is no heresy being preached there. I wish to look at the facts of HLMs case in syllogistic fashion. The judgments of peoples that are a constant in comments on this site again prove just how lacking in the true Faith the commentators on this site are. This is sad, especially when Catholics have Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament where they visit Him. The bishop has an obligation to pastor his people and protect and nourish their faith. Most of the messages are even similar to Medjugorje. James McManus had some words about this phenomenon amongst traditionalists. May I suggest him to all interested parties? depends on souls who have sincerely consecrated themselves to the Cross. This is contrary to our faith. I did not know rcspiritualdirection I have casorosendi.com (various languages) and primeraluz.org (Spanish only) lately many of my articles are being published in Brazil for some reason, so the Portuguese section is likely to grow a bit. Blessed and Merry Christmas and a Blessed and Happy New Year to you and yours! The fact that Bishop Lennon wont provide me or others any concrete evidence of why he has made this decision makes me very skeptical of his decision. If Jesus were giving messages on all truth to individuals, the result would not be thousands of denominations going in different directions. Catholics must keep their heads on straight and not wander from Church teachings, but praying at an apparition site is not wrong. (Titus1:10) as they no longer speak on behalf of teh Church but become representatives of their own novelty. She has a B.A. Yur reply is a good example of a non sequitor. You go right along and obey your bishop ;no matter what and see where it leads you. No, only the Pope has the right to declare something infallibly worthy or not worthy of belief. Did it say to submit to heretical bishops? The Dialogues is St. Catherine of Sienas profound spiritual work and is accepted by the Church as indeed she is a Doctor (teacher) of the Church. Did it automatically disappear? Finally, you assume that since God has never done before what He is doing at HLM, it is proof that he would not do it ever. He would need there to be so in order to be freed up to CANONICALLY FORBID Catholics from going there. True obedience is to the Faith. In the Summa, Aquinas explains that If the Faith is endangered a subject ought to rebuke his prelateeven publicly. It both surprises me and saddens me to see HLM defenders remain adamant that somehow Lennons Decree was only a warning., The Decree states specifically that Lennon reviewed the theology behind HLM, consulted a theological expert, was directed by the Holy See to act definitively on this matter and then declared the claims to be constat de non supernaturalitate.. You, 3221, say there is nothing against the Faith at HLM. Some take them in but then spit them out never assimilating them. "No. He is a very sick man. If anything, HLM has brought me to a deeper understanding of the ancient truths of my Faith. Do you hear yourself? I am wondering why HLM bothers you so much. This Vatican overrode Lennons gross and unethical use of Diocesan properties and monies. This place made me a better Catholic and its saving souls. Even though the messages, purportedly from Jesus and Mary, encourage Catholic devotions, they have declared that this ministry is ecumenical and therefore, does not have to answer to Catholic authority. Youre actually using a theology professor at Notre Dame as an endorsement of an apparition site that has been condemned by a Bishop of the Catholic Church? Frankly, unspecified serious concerns and an admonishment to cease gathering simply because a bishop of questionable integrity and his unnamed expert say so, without any specific reasons being given for such a directive, does not constitute authority that should be obeyed. Ive studied and practiced the Holy Love messages for over 25 years, and can assure you the apparitions there are authentic. @LizEst I could not go on the link to join the book club it doesnt work. I have been at HOLY LOVE, about 18 times since 2009 and its another true gift from God. At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. This is EXACTLY how Satan uses seemingly good things for his end. The organization has been at odds with the Catholic Church almost from the start. Vatican Two told us that, and the new head of the CDF has told us that failure to accept the TRUE teachings of Vatican Two is heresy. Everything I knew about him seemed to be the real deal. The Bishop of a diocese is not the last word on any apparition. It is hard for me to grasp the influence of the Ohio diocese attempt to stop pilgrims from going to Holy love, which is a Ecumenical Ministrry for all people and all nations. Correct, and succinct. (3) I may never criticize any Superior under any circumstances. Please join us there, if you havent already. Finally, the Church has spoken authoritatively on Holy Love Ministries and its 83-acre site of Maranatha Spring and Shrine in Ohio. After an angry backlash of emails telling me how wrong I was, I promised never to write about alleged apparitions again. Satan gates the rosary, and the last thing he wants is a lot of oeopke praying it. It is called Bishop Diaries and it is quite informative at to what is going on in the Cleveland diocese. God Bless and Mary Keep in Holy Love, This explicitly negative judgment is a definitive God is not the source of this claim.. But now the line has been drawn. I do not know him. the Church is wise enough to allow things to exist unless they prove heterodox. Thanks be to God ~ the Most Holy Trinity and Mother Mary Most Holy! This whole discussion was initiated by those who are concerned with the error of those following HLM. Ive not read any recent posts about it anywhere since shortly after the Bishops condemnation of the place. They pray and love God. Again, what Our Mother says here is the teaching of the Catholic Church. Holy Love messages do not even have the facts about human anatomy correct. It doesnt matter what I may or may not want to point out from the decades of messages. Who is to be obedient in this case? The bishop is obligated to teach what exactly is wrong at Holy Love Ministries, and he does not because he cannot. Im still awaiting word from the Mother Teresa Center. Perhaps 3221 is thinking of the letter he wrote concerning Holy Love a year or so prior that was indeed just a warning. Repent and run to a merciful Savior. Jesus or Mary? Madame, please state SPECIFICALLY the heresy at HLM. The question of the Truth of the apparitions is more important than the opinion of a bishop. I took a quick look at your blog. Many bishops today want to create a new church, one where man is at the center. He does not because there are no grounds for him to do so. I admonish the faithful of the Diocese of Cleveland to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purpose on the site ofHoly Love Ministries and declare that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland and may not legitimately use the name Catholic or represent itself as a Catholic group, Lennon said in his decree. Thanks Kevin. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth (John 16:12-13). You seem to becoming a little unglued.) No ecclesiastic has the right to water it down, to distort it, to misinterpret it,purposely or otherwise. What I almost certain of is that he does not reveal that he abandoned his family for this ministry. You would be an excellent addition. When an alleged apparition attacks the Church, there is reason enough for the local Ordinary to say, thanks but no thanks.. If I believed Bishop Lennon is a corrupt bishop I would have said so. I know my Catholic Faith well in all its purity, its beauty, and its authentic mystical depth. Yes, it is condemned. Thank you for clarifying, Kevin. Christ has done that for us. Very interesting and impressive. It does not matter how official he tries to make it sound. On the contrary, my statement was quite loaded with theological references. I think he/she thought you were me in a previous comment on this Catholic Lane site! After accomplishing the safe return home of her students, and after buying an acre of land near the Chapel to build a home to continue her commissioned duty to Our Lady, Sister Adele obeyed the Bishops command. OBEYED THE BISHOPS COMMAND. Leary, a retired chemist who lives in the suburbs of Rochester, New York, has published more than a dozen volumes full of messages allegedly from Jesus, Mary and the saints, warning about the coming of the anti-Christ. God warns us about judging others and I think he means it. I figured that someone who made such a claim above (Mr/Ms 3221) would know! It attributes whole malice to persons, effectively demonizing them. I read up on them before responding to your criticism. In the meantime I really cannot understand how this ministry that promotes. See you there! While I was walking on the property not long ago I asked a priest from Nigera why so many priests from around the world are coming here. The term Holy Love refers to the messages and teachings of these particular messages, not to the Love of God, not to the teachings of the Church, not to the Catholic Faith in general. I would have loved to have witnessed something like the pilgrims at Fatima did, but really, I do not need it. 3) s/he firmly believes that s/he is hearing the actual words of the saints, the Blessed Virgin Mary, Jesus, and God the Father. Certainly not. He shows with admirable clarity that the mark of a truly faithful Catholic can be a refusal to submit to heretical or compromising bishops. This challenge has been met with silence, with the exception of one person who selected some messages and included with them her own explanations as to their heretical content. I suffer for what comes to you. This man continues to remain obedient and does not publicly discuss his mystical experiences with Christ and the Blessed Mother. Resist him, firm in faith (1 Pet. The same Faith that is delineated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church is the same Faith that is being taught at Holy Love Ministries. To be condemned CANONICALLY is an official act and there are no grounds for it so the bishopas much as he would like to, I am surecannot do so. The Holy Spirit will certainly guide each of us if and when we have that sincere Love hopefully Holy Love! We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. Or, is this something that happened in the past? Would the devil be behind the formation of prayer groups? They pray and love God. Her latest books areHoly Hacks: Everyday Ways to Live Your Faith & Get to HeavenandBig Hearted: Inspiring Stories from Everyday Families. Be aware that there are those who tolerate the followers of HL to display objects, holy water, and such in the midst of allegedly Catholic ministries. Hope that helps. I live less than one mile from where Maureen Kyle-Sweeney was previously receiving messages and visits from heaven. Look at the history of apparitions. Those at Holy Love Ministries have openly rejected it. The shrine is on one hundred-plus acres of land, adorned with beautiful statues of Mary, Jesus and many of the saints. Above I did state that Bishop Lennon was corrupt. Because it was personal though, I translated it into my already laid out plan for my life. Clothe me in Your Divine Will. You are all mixed up big time. I am spreading the Rosary of the Unborn around the country because I believe in it. Whew, this article has sure brought out the Holy Love cult-mentality, hasnt it? The devil is too cunning to take on by oneself. I did not know about the divorce and remarriage. I have written an article about visionaries entitled Private revelations and Obedience to the Catholic Church which includes some biblical references and also some examples from the Saints in regards to the absolute necessity of obedience for visionaries/mystics and those who follow them. Lennon condemned the claimsCONSTAT DE NON SUPERNATURALITATEwith the backing of the Holy See. Thanks Glenn. see how the apparitions to father gobbi and sister faustina were treated and all the apparitions of the bmv and u just might, just might see where we are in the present age.. the high clergy treated the lord in a shamful manner and now for the last almost two hundred yrs the visionaries and appearnces of the the bvm are being treated in the way of the intellect because the old deceiver has learned the way of the western civilization is prideful and greedy. After the above comes specific rulings in 4 parts (conveniently numbered): 1) Lennon declares Sweeney-Kyles claims to be not supernatural in origin. Yes it warns its followers against heretical bishopsas does Aquinas in the Summa Theologica. condemned. It says no credibility can be given. who lives about an hour away from me. Our Mother is not asking us to condone sin by saying forgive everything. Visions are not like sacraments, which produce their effect by their own power (that is, the power of Christ working through them) in those who do not place an obstacle. The fact that Bishop Lennon wont provide me or others any The growth of this appiration site is truly a miracle in this day and age. ps. The bishops office of the diocese of Cleveland cautions anyone considering donations to the center. If Jesus were giving messages on all truth to individuals, the result would not be thousands of denominations going in different directions. You will not be able to do so.The charism of HLM is the preservation of the true Faith. He states that our Faith and its preservation come before obedience to a bishop. Here are just a few of the more glaring examples, along with the dates they were stated so you can read them in full. No wonder the world,particularly the USA is in such a mess-morally and spiritually. Loyalty to the Church has never meant disregarding Truth. Doing so is not leading souls away from salvation, as some suggested. He had no choice. It is a gossip piece such as you read about movie stars. You have every right even a duty to suggest caution, as you did in your article. we have known about holy love since the 80s and we believe in those apparitions. (2)Forgive everything. Read the Decree here: http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/news/2009/Holy%20Love%20-%20Decree%20in%20English%20-%202009-11-11.pdf. Contrary to the Bayside fiasco, Bishop Lennon could not cite one error from HLM.
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